Are mountains pegs?
by Saif min Suyufillah
Critic:
It is semantically incorrect to equate “roots” with “pegs” because “roots” are not the same as “pegs”.Roots are the result of natural processes. In the case of mountains, the “roots” are created by the collision, and subduction, of continental plates. “Pegs” are made by humans and are driven into the ground by humans. It should also be mentioned that not all mountains, such as volcanoes, have roots.
Response:
Following are some definitions of peg from Cambridge dictionary.
peg noun (HOOK)
› [C] a small stick or hook that sticks out from a surface and from which objects, especially clothes, can hang: He took off his coat/hat and hung it on the peg.› [S] a reason for discussing something further: They decided to use the anniversary as the peg for/a peg on which to hang a TV documentary.peg noun (FIXING DEVICE)
› [C] a device used to fix something into a particular place:
1.The verse does not mention the word roots,rather it is simply mountains.
2.The process of formation of mountains is not discussed in any verse,rather the simple fact is mention that the mountains act as pegs.
Critic:
The obvious fallacy here is that mountains are a part of the earth’s crust which also “float” on the mantle along with the rest of the earth’s crust. Pegs cannot hold something firm when they are “floating”! Mountains do not stabilize the earth’s crust through isostacy, it is the crust that stabilizes itself through its own isostacy. Additionally, the collisions between the tectonic plates, of the earth’s crust, that cause earthquakes rather than prevent them.
One of the more bizarre claims made by some Muslim apologists is
By fixing the Earth’s crust they prevent any sliding over the magma layer or amongst the layers themselves. In short, mountains can be compared to nails holding strips of wood together. The fixing effect of mountains is known as isostasy in scientific literature.
Muslims simply cannot decide what isostasy is! Professor Press, whom numerous Muslim websites mentions, says “the crust of the earth floats on a liquid”. So how can mountains play the role of “nails” holding the solid crust to a liquid?
Response:
The Crust does not float over the liquid,rather it is firmly attached to a denser solid below,and the floating of that solid mantle over the core is much negligible than (if there would be) the case of crust sliding or rolling over the mantle.
See the picture below.Do you think that the blue layer could float over the brown layer on the right side?No.
Now decide it yourself…
The role of these insertions is obvious from the pictures.
The floating at any level would not be as pronounced as the sliding of uppermost 2 layers.
Why don’t you see that the formation of these mountains is to establish a balance?
Critic:
Mountains are the outcome of collisions between strata of the earth’s crust; the result of the encroachment of a given stratum on another one. These strata that go deeper and deeper enable the crust layers to integrate.
Where is this information given in the Qur’an?
Response:
The information in Quran is simply that the Mountains are like pegs.This is evident from the recent studies.
Critic:
Mountains do not stabilize the earth’s crust through isostacy, it is the crust that stabilizes itself through its own isostacy. Additionally, the collisions between the tectonic plates, of the earth’s crust, that cause earthquakes rather than prevent them.
Response:
This stabilization process results in te formation of mountains.
And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest IT [the earth] should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves; 16:15
Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a place of settlement, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water). Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Nay, but most of them know not. 27:61
He created the heavens without any pillars that you can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs 31:10
Have WE not made the earth as a bed, And the mountains as pegs?78:7
Mountains are mentioned in Quran to be acting in the way avoiding the earth “shake us away” (3 verses) and in 1 verse as pegs.
Earth Shake you away
Here “shaking” is important (The position of Earth, Crust and the gravity)
“You” is also very important (i.e human life form)
Shaking denotes the instability,not only that of crust but also in terms of Earth’s position in orbit during rotation and the “Gravity” of Earth as well,plus the position of Earth during revolution around the sun (the mass and Gravity all are important here).
Besides the instability in literal sense,it could be regarding the instability of “human life form” as well,as in all of these 3 verses it is clearly mentioned for “you i.e humans”.
The mountains contribute to the important geobiochemical cycles as well, important to allow human life in Earth.An example is Carbon cycle
Many physiological processes are also dependant upon gravity, which are definitely affected much,when the humans are in the space.
Mountain formation contributing to isostasy
According to Encyclopedia Britannica,
isostasy, ideal theoretical balance of all large portions of Earth’s lithosphere as though they were floating on the denser underlying layer, the asthenosphere, a section of the upper mantle composed of weak, plastic rock that is about 110 km (70 miles) below the surface. Isostasy controls the regional elevations of continents and ocean floors in accordance with the densities of their underlying rocks.
Mountain formation in the process of outgassing
The transfer of heat and material in the mantle helps determine the landscape of Earth. Activity in the mantle drives plate tectonics, contributing to volcanoes, seafloor spreading, earthquakes, and orogeny (mountain-building).
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Hey why all people who answer against Quran think like a child? Because you don’t know what website to believe. Believe official websites. This is the answer of Peg (noun) by Oxford English Dictionary.
peg, n.¹
A short pin or bolt, originally made of wood and later also of metal, plastic, etc., typically tapering slightly at one end, and used to fasten two…
YOUR DEFINITION OF PEG IS WRONG ❌❌❌.
Device is a thing adapted or made for particular purpose especially mechanical or electronical.
So, I disagree with your peg definition. Also, Quran says Mountains AS pegs. IT’S means in STRUCTURALLY THEY’RE SAME IN OBSERVING, THAT DOESN’T MEAN PEGS ARE MOUNTAINS ( MOUNTAINS= PEGS).
MOUNTAINS ≠ PEGS. THEY ARE SIMILAR TO PEGS, STRUCTURALLY AND BY OBSERVATION.
SORRY TO DESTROY YOUR WHOLE ARTICLE WITH MY COMMENT BUT I WILL CHOOSE THE PATH OF RIGHTEOUSNESS NOT FOOLS.
Also. When it comes to Roots. WE GAVE THEM THE DOWNSIDE PART OF MOUNTAIN AS ROOT. WHEN WE DON’T HAVE NAME WE TRY TO GIVE IT. IT IS ALIKE LIKE PLANT ALSO HAVE ROOTS. DOWNWARDS. Ok. When it comes to formation. It is not natural thing. Every natural thing is the cause of God. Remember. What’s your point to say Mountains ane not as pegs. YOU MISUNDERSTOOD THE VERSE AND YOU MISINTERPRETED AND CAME FORWARD TO WRITE THIS MUCH OF MISINTERPRETATION.
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Hey why all people who answer against Quran think like a child? Because you don’t know what website to believe. Believe official websites. This is the answer of Peg (noun) by Oxford English Dictionary.
peg, n.¹
A short pin or bolt, originally made of wood and later also of metal, plastic, etc., typically tapering slightly at one end, and used to fasten two…
YOUR DEFINITION OF PEG IS WRONG ❌❌❌.
Device is a thing adapted or made for particular purpose especially mechanical or electronical.
So, I disagree with your peg definition. Also, Quran says Mountains AS pegs. IT’S means in STRUCTURALLY THEY’RE SAME IN OBSERVING, THAT DOESN’T MEAN PEGS ARE MOUNTAINS ( MOUNTAINS= PEGS).
MOUNTAINS ≠ PEGS. THEY ARE SIMILAR TO PEGS, STRUCTURALLY AND BY OBSERVATION.
SORRY TO DESTROY YOUR WHOLE ARTICLE WITH MY COMMENT BUT I WILL CHOOSE THE PATH OF RIGHTEOUSNESS NOT FOOLS.
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Praise be to God. This is THE best explanation and demonstration of the Quranic verse.
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I still don’t understand how mountains stabilise the earth. Why do scientists say they don’t?
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It stabilizes the continental crust on which we live, What is known as “isostatic equilibrium”
http://geoscience.wisc.edu/~chuck/Classes/Mtn_and_Plates/mtn_roots.html
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another source
https://www.britannica.com/science/isostasy-geology
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isostasy means :
iso = equal
stasy = standing
p16
Click to access Lecture2GravityIsostasy.pdf
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To understand what the Qur’an says about the essential role of the mountains, read about “Airy’s hypothesis” in GeoPhysics.
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The stabilizing effect is for the crust as well as in the rotation of the earth in its orbit and along its axis as well.
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Thank you for this awesome response
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The verse is Cleary referring to earth quakes. Many mountains are formed by subduction of plates where one goes under the other by one of two ways the heaver plate is pushed up in the case of the Andeans mountains or volcanos form and make land in the case of Japan. This is known to make earthquakes if you look up earthquake frecuncy maps you will see they cluster in Japan and in the Andeas
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Lest it takes away, could be from “taking away the crust” to “taking away the Earth from its orbital and axial paths of movement”.
Because,simply, they have a role in that too.
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Response:
The Crust does not float over the liquid,rather it is firmly attached to a denser solid below,and the floating of that solid mantle over the core is much negligible than (if there would be) the case of crust sliding or rolling over the mantle.
See the picture below.Do you think that the blue layer could float over the brown layer on the right side?No.
Underneath the crust is the mantel which has the fluidity of caramel. If all the mountains vanished tomorrow all the crust would do is sink down or rise up depending in its denisty.
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Thanks for explaining.Jazakallah khair,I will rewrite it after further confirmation
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Check it too….
Isostasy describes the physical, chemical, and mechanical differences that allow the crust to “float” on the sometimes more malleable mantle. (https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/mantle/)
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mountain’s are not needed for the process if all mountains dispersed tomorrow it would most likey be chaotic for a time but the crust would find it’s own balance. In fact their was a time when this happened
https://www.livescience.com/earth-mountains-disappear-boring-billion.html#:~:text=For%20nearly%20a%20billion%20years,11%20in%20the%20journal%20Science.
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Even if you do not want to consider isostasy,they do interfere with the position in orbital axis and the planetary orbit.
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Even if you do not want to consider isostasy, they do interfere with the position in orbital axis and the planetary orbit.
It’s quite Cleary referring to earth quakes body not celestial motion. And the mass of the mountains is so small it has no effect on are motion around the sun. it’s purely a question of gravity and centrifugal force you could pile every mountain on earth on top of each other and our orbit would be stable.
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Even if you do not want to consider isostasy,they do interfere with the position in orbital axis and the planetary orbit.
Two points it refers to the ground shaking this is a clear reference to a earthquake
If it was trying to say it would have to say lest the earth tilt back and forth and or lest the earth orbit be unstable.
Two orbital mechanics is a question of gravity and centrifugal force.
The mountains could be in any formation possible has long has earths net mass stays the same the orbit would mostly be stable. The only real way to move earth out of its orbit is through a kinetic stike of a great power.
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